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military, in an environment that is quite as threatening on such a large scale, said James Dobbins, a former ambassador who has seen his share of trouble spots as a special envoy for Afghanistan, Bosnia, Haiti,
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, Kosovo and Somalia. is unprecedented in scale. House officials expressed confidence that the transfer to civilians about 2,400 people who would work at the Baghdad embassy and other diplomatic sites would be carried out on schedule, and that they could fulfill their mission of helping bring stability to Iraq.
really big picture that we have seen in Iraq over the last year and a half to two years is this: the number of violent incidents is significantly down, the competence of Iraqi security forces is significantly up, and politics has emerged as the basic way of doing business in Iraq, said Antony J. Blinken,
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, and I acknowledge it is an that creates a much better context for dealing with the very significant and serious problems that remain in Iraq. Iraq's history, the country's political future is uncertain. troop presence largely propped up the weak, and at times, completely dysfunctional government. Even in the face a troop withdrawal that would affect their political future, Iraqi political leaders failed at coming to terms with a power sharing agreement, yet again. Many citizens are dissatisfied with their government and older citizens remember the four coups that took place after the monarchy fell in 1958 and before former dictator Saddam Hussein came to power.
The thing that will always haunt me about the Iraq War will be the "Why." Why we really went there in the first place. The original reason was a mix of post 9/11 fear and the concern that Hussein had "weapons of mass destruction." Then we invaded and found that he had actually dismantled his weapons programs long ago, just as we and the United Nations had ordered him to do. Then it became about fighting al Qaeda, who only recently arrived in Iraq because we were there. Then it became about the insurgency and keeping Iraq from becoming a failed state that could potentially harbor terrorists. Then it was an effort at nation building and creating a Middle East democracy as part of the belief in American Exceptionalism. Then, in our effort to stop the insurgency, build a coalition government and bring peace to a war that we started, the fall of Iraq actually strengthened Iran,
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, Iraq's decades long rival.
I've heard the oil argument on the left many times. That we went to Iraq because of oil. But even that didn't make much sense to me. It didn't make sense to destroy a country's infrastructure to get oil. The US has a long history of backing and propping up dictators who would be favorable to us and our business ventures. If the whole thing had been about oil our best bet was to always see Iraq governed by yet another strong man, but a strong man who would be favorable to us. After all,
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, members of the Saudi Royal Family aren't exactly known as beacons of love and light in their own country, but we have a wonderful relationship with them. So wonderful that even though a good number of the 9-11 hijackers were Saudi we didn't even take it out on them.
So why? Was the goal to spread Democracy in the Middle East? And is Iraq better off than it was before? Is it worse? Is it a stalemate? In this war, 4,415 American troops died, more than 30,000 were wounded. (Some estimates even put that 100,000 troops were wounded.) But depending on who you ask between 90,000 and more than a million Iraqis were killed in the war. That's somewhere between the entire populations of Macon, Georgia and San Diego,
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, California. Not to mention the large number of people who were displaced or forced from their homes, the continued destruction of the once thriving Christian minority in Iraq and the many, many deaths that occurred from sectarian violence after the war started.
What did we get out of it? What did anyone get out of it,
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? Is the Middle East any safer? Goodness no. Right now everyone thinks Israel is planning on blowing up Iran's nuclear reactors to kick off that World War no one wants.
At least with Vietnam, and this never was much of a reason, LBJ had the "Domino theory." That almost made sense back when the Cold War had infected everyone's brains with paranoia and the United States and Russia were busy fighting proxy wars in a effort to destroy each other in ways that didn't involve nuclear annihilation. But while I understand the Cold War, I don't know what history will say about our war in Iraq.
I just know that what we did, we can never undo and once people die, you can't take that back. People will remember. They will remember the pain and the death and the chaos and the bloody, dysfunctional aftermath. Some won't blame us because after the initial mistake there was an attempt to make things right. But some will never forgive.
I just hope we never get into war so lightly again. But I'm not particularly optomistic about that.
I like your post,
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. I like your writing. I even like your opinion. But you made some assumptions that create flaws in your analysis and conclusions.
Assumption 1: NBC knows what it is talking about. NBC and the rest of mainstream media are as off base on the exiting of military troops in Iraq today as they were in 1991. The point media are trying to make without saying it is this: The "war" in Iraq is over. So,
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, when did the "Gulf War" end? Right after they removed most of the 500,000 ground troops,
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, media left too. Air Force and Navy continued to rain bombs upon folks while controlling the air over Iraq. military doesn prop up governments. It annihilates them and then inserts its own proxy government. The Iraqi people do not have any say so in such a government (regardless of the blue fingers waved). General Petraeus was once known as "The Governor of Mosul" but that doesn get much press because we not supposed to be running any political show in Iraq. The same thing occurred with a number of proxy officials who were put in charge of the Oil Ministry and the Finance Ministry, etc. proxies. The problem is you taken us down the same road so many others have in the mainstream press. That road leads to the conclusion that our government lies. And while we all know that true, even you have accepted that 19 hijackers of primarily Saudi origin were responsible for the three towers that fell in New York, the circular hole in the Pentagon and the missing plane that presumably crashed and disappeared in Pennsylvania. The assumption that the government lies on one thing, but is perfectly believable when it offers the most preposterous explanations regarding unexplained events, leaves me incredulous.
The real point isn "Why" we invaded Iraq,
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, but what did we know at the time a decision was made, who made it and for what purpose?
The answer to that question reveals much. Because to this very day, no media have revealed what we knew when the decision was made to send ground troops into Iraq.
Here is what we knew then. You decide how important this information is today:We knew we owned the air space over Iraq. military as invaders. We knew that whatever losses we sustained, there would a minimum of 10 times that number in wounded. He knew the severe consequences.
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, we also knew we had no exit strategy . because we never intend to leave. Those 50K "advisers" we left behind have support from some system set in place. media. And we wonder why Americans can figure out the truth about what going on in the Middle East? They are all just a bunch of crazy lunatics? Um, yeah,
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, if you been told such crap by our media.
Sorry to rant on your site. But as a former service member, I am incensed at the stuff our media serves up on behalf of a lying untrustworthy government, which willingly sacrifices our lives and the lives of innocent peoples in other nations in order to advance political agendas.
There is SO MUCH we don ask about because journalists have little or no understanding of the military and how it works. They are also afraid. Afraid of losing access. Afraid of "disappearing" and afraid of being perceived as "anti-American." In addition to that, media simply do not know the questions to ask. They accept what they are told. They are like kindergartners being asked to write a thesis on a biology course. Someone will boil something down to a very simple and easy to understand synopsis for reporters to put into an article with a few quotes. Then they are on to the next story.
And we left wondering why we went to war.
meanwhile,
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, dead bodies are strewn about, maimed and mangled people and lives are moaning. Kids are left to fend for themselves. The environment is destroyed and let not even get into unemployment. Unemployment? How about the thousands of businesses that were reduced to rubble.
There is no reasonable excuse anyone could given for sending our troops into such a catastrophic nightmare that we KNEW would occur because it was already partially in process, and has been since 1990. Thus, IRAQ is the longest war in the history of this nation. Not Afghanistan. 20 years and counting.
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